that microviolence in the home against women is a better indicator than democracy national resources religion, anything else of macroviolence of institutionalized violence. so if i could ask both candidates a question, i would say given the fact that violence against women is demonstrably the single greatest indicator of military and institutionalized violence how does our foreign policy reflect this? i don't think it does. >> jennifer: that is a fantastic way to end this conversation. at least for now. i really appreciate you coming inside the peace room, "the war room." gloria steinem thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> jennifer: up next, always one of my favorite guests is douglas brinkley. he has a perfect record when it comes to telling fascinating things about the history of politics that i never knew before and tonight's topic of course, what else would it be? presidential debates. >> governor -- >> there you go again. >> jennifer: you're back inside "the war room." i'm jennifer granholm. the most famous debates in american history may not have been between presidential candidates.